Meeting 14 November 2000


Notes Coffee & Chat Tuesday 14 November North Side

The meeting was chaired by John S.
Twenty nine people attended at the club rooms.
There were no new members and there was no treasurer report.


The new way of providing  these notes continues.
i.e.  The person who asks the question or provides information at a meeting
is to provide the co-ordinator with the details hopefully within a few days.
The following
 Friday has been suggested.

The co-ordinator will simply cut and paste the notes, number the items in
the approximate order of the meeting, do minor formatting  and post them on
the net. All reasonable care will be taken by the co-ordinator. The
correctness of the content lies with the provider of the notes
Any problems or queries re these notes should be directed to Ted  M at
ebm@pcug.org.au.

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1. " Carnivore" Ted M.
A newspaper article in the Australian  of August 1 2000 describes how the
FBI has installed 20 systems  (software and a box)  at Internet service
providers in the USA. The purpose is to  capture all messages running
through a
network according to Marcus Thomas, head of the cyber technology section of
the FBI.
The American Civil Liberties Union says that this violates the 4th
amendment. This implies protection against the unwarranted reading of sender
and
recipient addresses of e-mails..
The system has been called 'Carnivore ' as it gets to the meat of
suspicious messages.

2. Passwords by Ken M.
Passwords in windows are somewhat complex. Ken has a
program which lists all passwords. Internet passwords are stored separately
from other passwords. Ken will write an article for the PCUG magazine about
passwords.

3. Sweep results from Melbourne cup were given.
 Rod S has a  problem. He got a blue windows fatal error using W98 and
Internet
Explorer.The last error was 10 days ago. Now however the directory of his
out box has been deleted.
 John S said that the file is stored with a .dbx extension and can be
searched for. Also there is no simple way of storing these files including
options and
filters.

Later JohnS sent this message:
re Backing up Outlook Express setting and files.

At today's meeting, I volunteered to supply a URL to do the subject job (M$
should have provided an easy facility).
It is http://chattanooga.net/~scochran/backup.htm
It assumes a reasonable level of Windows knowledge.
Good luck.... JohnS

Alan M said that the lost file may have been saved as a xxx.chk file.

Rod comments : Further to my query about disappearing Outlook Express
messages:

a. All the old messages in the Inbox and the Deleted Items folders
disappeared but the folders were/are still present.
b. There are no bits of files turned up by Scandisk.
c. There was nothing in the Recycle bin.
d. I can not find anywhere on the computer where the files may have been
moved.
e. I have no idea and no indicators of what happened.
Rod

4. Lost windows explorer Leigh D.
John S suggested the he should use Find which is the menu item reached by
clicking on the "START"  button.

5. There was a problem for Mike D with IE 5.5 url follower.  John S
suggested that if you go to the  "Add remove" section you are given a choice
to REPAIR
any program. Some suggested that Mike may have a " cookie" problem.

6. Items from. Jeff. C

  A. An appeal was made for additional tutors to introduce Seniors to the
Internet at the Belconnen Library. There is a great demand for the service
being provided by PCUG on Tuesdays 2-3pm but we are having difficulties in
maintaining it because of the need for 2 or 3 more tutors. It would be a
great pity if it flopped in 2001 through lack of support from PCUG.
Volunteers to contact Jeff Colwell jmcolw@pcug.org.au or tel 6247 7756.

  B. Problems with variations in connect speed dropping from 42,667 down to
9,600 as shown by a Maestro Woomera modem  and frequent drop outs. Various
suggestions for this perennial problem. (a) complain to Telstra - a
technician listened to the line and reported no noise, hence problem must be
with the ISP(pcug).
But in fairness, she commented that intermittent problems are difficult -
unless the line is showing a problem when tested they can do nothing. (b)
Look at tip.help. A copy of Modem Problems
(www.tip.net.au/tip/help/h56modem.htm) is available on Trevor's web page
http://www.tip.net.au/~tfrew/. Since Tuesday however the problem has simply
disappeared with connect speed consistently 42,667  - rain may have been
the problem.
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7. Transact and MP3 player  Mike Dinn
Mike suggested one go to the Transact web site to get new details of the
service they are offering.
Regarding MP3, he asked what will play MP3 files.  John S said that  Media
player 7 from Microsoft would. However that Winamp will take over your
computer in regard to sound files.
See Computer User Magazine for December.

8. Cardpack  John A said that he had been using " Active X" to control
player cards and could shuffle them. This was useful in making your own card
games.
See
www.multimedia.it/andy/cardpack.

John A also asked for advice about which printer he should buy for B&W and
some colour with not a lot of use of the printer being required.
Answers given included the HP 950, Canon and Epson makes. After selecting
the printer one should go to the cartridge factory at Phillip ACT and see if
they can refill the ink cartridge as ink was the most expensive item in the
long run.

9. ADSL  John K said that he was now using ADSL from Telstra and was very
pleased with the speed of downloads which were unlimited in amount. The cost
was $1000 per annum and should be cheaper after the first year because the
first year included the cost of the set top box. Also telephone calls were
free which
should be taken into account.

The meeting ended at 10.25 am.
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end of notes
Ted M 20/11/2000



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