Meeting 16 June 1998


 


Minutes of C&C Meeting 16 June 1998

Co-ordinator John welcomed 35 attendees.  Minute-taking was shared this
time by Jenny and Ted.  

Lyn McEvoy thanked the Group for the recent help with image translation;
PCUG Vice President Anne Greiner thanked the Group for the offer of $200.-
as a contribution to the purchase of a dishwasher; and Elizabeth thanked
John and Gordon for the hours they have spent recently helping her to
access certain software, as well as Neville for recommending the Inference
search engine which is very helpful for finding painters and their works.

Photos of the Midwinter Lunch will be available at next C&C meeting.

1.	TIP back-up; how news is sorted

PCUG users' home pages and e-mail are now backed up once a week, and a new
system will soon allow back-up once daily.  News is not (and will not be)
backed up.  Downtime for installation of the new back-up system will
probably be some time on Friday 19 June.  Problems with the old system may
account for some news items not being posted to all members of the relevant
newsgroup.  

By default, news items are sorted through Agent by "thread" i.e. by subject
and message ID; but you can opt to sort by size of message, date, or
subject.  One of the drawbacks of using news digests is that the threading
is lost.  Déja News provides up to four years' archives of public news. 
Agent will report the last 30 days' news.

2.	SPAM (unsolicited e-mail)

TIP relies on its sources to eliminate SPAM from e-mail and news.  Monash
University has an anti-SPAM network which provides effective methods to
eliminate SPAM, such as hitting the spammers' service providers.  Never
reply to SPAM, as by doing so, you give the spammers your address.  

3.	Adobe Photo Shop

Bob has obtained, through Andy's Photo Shop Newsgroup, an excellent
program, Adobe Photo Shop (http://www.andyart.com/photoshop/all.htm) which
provides everything that could be useful for a web page.  The 3MB program
can be downloaded via pdf.  Bob passed around a folder showing the extent
of the program.

4.	PERL programming language

Leigh discussed the benefits of the PERL programming language which can be
used to write CGI scripts.  However, ISPs are not keen on this language as
it is almost at the commercial level, using a disproportionate amount of
server time.  Allan noted that TIP limits users' pages to 10 MBs, which it
was agreed, is generous.

5.	Lotus Organizer

Three recent crashes on Lotus Organizer were ascribed to a corrupted W95
file.  Suggestions included:  (i) to find out which module caused the
problem, click on the "details" button when the system asks you to "close
or continue";  (ii) uninstall, then reinstall the program;  (iii) obtain
W98 which checks all your system files; finds the corrupted module and
fixes it;  (iv) obtain a W95 update which does the same.  Reinstalling W95
over the existing system does not repair the registry.  Crashguard (part of
Norton Utilities 3) has been found to conflict with Windows 4.

6.	W98

Free Agent, Eudora, Netscape, will all work with W98.  Both IE4 and
Netscape were judged excellent at history handling (that is, pinpointing a
site used before).

7.	Printing white on white

A recurrent problem where net pages with white text on a black background
are printing as white on white, could not be resolved:  the best suggestion
was to use black paper.  A tip for homepage owners:  put metadata such as
your competitors' names in your own page in white, they will not show up,
but search engines looking for the name of a competitor will turn up your
page.

8.	PCUG Internet starter kits

The Group agreed that the current kits need to evolve further.  Chess
recommended BatchS.exe which scans the system, you edit it and create an
information file which can then be used to install W98 including TIP
access.  There was some discussion about the relevance of Ewan and Ping
software in the W3.1x kit.  Ewan or Telnet is required for some Australian
National Library facilities, and for some low-level connection to TIP. 
Ping is a diagnostic tool often used to compare performance of different
ISPs.  It was agreed that the W3.1x kit probably did not need these
programs.  

9.	Music player; MIDI files

The conversion of audio from a CD to a compressed data file discussed in
the C&C newsgroup, prompted Emil to recommend the Cowan shareware music
player which is designed to look like a physical player.  On 9 June, Emil
posted a message to the newsgroup about this.  Lew was keen to play
classical music while piloting a sailplane on Flight Simulator:  CD
Streamer will convert the audio CD to a computer file, which can be played
in the background.  

John cannot get IE3 to recognise MIDI files.

10.	An answering machine for e-mail

If you are going to be absent from home and without access to computers,
most ISPs (but not TIP) can arrange an answering service.  Or you can
change your user name, or give your user name to someone else.  The Group
expressed some disbelief that anyone could go anywhere these days where
there is no access to computers. 

11.	File extensions

 Wayne Corbin  has a PCUG home page  which lists many pages explaining the
meaning of hundreds of three letter file extensions. eg. *.txt, *.dll,
*.com

13.	USB sockets. 

Chess explained how the USB sockets attached to the back of new computers
have to have an additional "Hub box" added externally to allow more than
two devices to be connected to the computer. 

14.	Agent software availability at PCUG rooms

Emil discussed the need for a copy of Agent software to be made available
for demonstration purposes only at the PCUG rooms. Mike and Alan suggested
that the manager of the PCUG computer training  room should be contacted.

The meeting ended at 11.38 am.

JL & EBM 17/6/98 970

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