Meeting 21 September 1999


 

Notes of C&C of 21  September 1999

COFFEE AND CHAT


NOTES 

21 SEPTEMBER 1999


1. The chairman, opened the meeting at 10.00am.  43 people were
present and a couple arrived later.

2. At the last meeting volunteers were sought to form a panel to take
notes of the discussions at the meeting.  Ted asked for the name of
the person whose name was omitted from the notes of the meeting but
apparently the person concerned as not present.  However, Jenny L and
Peter H volunteered to join the panel.

3. Two people attended Coffee and Chat for the first time.  Jennifer
was about to buy a computer with the help of a neighbour.  Ted
explained about the groups' willingness to provide a "link person" to
answer questions before the fortnightly meetings and asked if Jennifer
would like one.  When she assented Chris offered to be the link.  The
other new member, Bob has been a member of the PCUG for about 2 years
and is already using a computer.

4. Wolfe informed the group that its finances were very healthy.

5. Greg inquired what the group was going to do about its Christmas
party.  John suggested that the group not spend all the money it had
saved on a social event which not all everyone would be able to
attend, and this was generally agreed.  He also suggested that the
party be held after Christmas rather than before as people already
attended a lot of parties then.

6. A general discussion was held about the timing of the party and it
was decided to hold a combined function for the Melbourne Cup (not to
be held on the day) and Christmas.  Many alternative dates were
suggested for the function and it was eventually unanimously decided
to hold it at the end of November, perhaps on the 30th.

7. Wolfe suggested that the caterers who catered for the SIGs' last
Melbourne Cup function be asked to provide the food etc.  This was
generally agreed although Jenny's reservation that while most of the
food they provided was excellent the cakes were pretty ordinary was
supported by most people.  A Sub-Committee was formed to organise the
Christmas party including: Esther, Greg, Joan, Jenny??, Keith and
Wolfe??

8. Leigh queried what the group would be spending its money on as it
did not intend to use it all on social events, and suggested that
funds be spent on hardware and software for the group.

9. The purchase of the Maestro modem was again raised and Chris
mentioned that he had spoken to a technician employed by Maestro who
could get the SIG a discount on one if it could not obtain a free one.
John said that this probability had already been raised with Maestro
who had not replied, but agreed that it would be preferable to
purchase a Maestro rather than another make of modem.

10. Wolfe suggested that the SIG purchase an upgrade of the Windows
version of Partition Magic and this was agreed by those present.

11. Greg asked whether in the case of a machine rated non-compliant,
the owner only needed to wait until 1 January 2000 and then change the
date on the machine. He was informed that this depended on how
uncompliant the computer was.

12. Merv?? Stated that when computers were checked for compliance they
were given one of 5 grades.  Many machines were given a 2 rating but
few were rated 1st class.  The real time clock was the main problem.
If the C-MOS would go beyond 2000 the computer would probably be okay.
However, the C-MOS might have to be reset.

13. Allan suggested people set the correct date on their computers to
1 January 2000, turn off their machines and then turn them on the next
day and check that the date given is 2 January 2000.

14. Merv noted that only financial houses, real estate agents and
those using high-powered accounting programs would be really affected
by the date problem.

15. Jeff mentioned that in Windows 98 SE there was a facility whereby
the user could specify which date should be used.  Jim stated people
could not only use 4 digits for the year instead of 2 under Windows 98
but could also set the epoch spanning from well before 2000 to well
after.  John mentioned that this however did not apply to Windows 95
users.

16. Trevor has been having problems with the TCP/IP properties on his
computer.  His OS was Windows 98 SE, and worked okay but then he
installed on-line banking with the National Bank and he has been
unable to log onto the Internet ever since.  Tony?? mentioned that
when Trevor installed on-line banking he got a lot of unneeded
protocols which he should remove.  Chris, and others, agreed that the
protocols in question could not be removed.  Chris mentioned that
Trevor would need to amend the "Dial-up-properties server type" and
explicitly set it to PPP.  After some further discussion John offered
to discuss the matter over the phone with Trevor to resolve the
problem.

17. Wolfe asked whether it would be possible for an engaged tone to
sound when the system goes down as Telecom was reaping a bonanza from
people who kept dialling in under the impression that it was their
machines which were malfunctioning.  Alan responded that this could
not be done.  People ring in and 'Chriten' answers and then goes to
'Supreme' to check peoples' names and passwords, and if Supreme does
not answer 'Chriten' does not have the intelligence to know that there
is a problem with 'Supreme' rather than with the users' names or
passwords.  

18. Allan recommended that people should make one attempt to get
connected and if they cannot get on line or the line drops out almost
immediately they should give up and try again later or the next day.
There are 6 TIP administrators, but when the system last failed 4 were
out of town and one was at work and so it took time to resolve the
problem.  When people use a volunteer service they must accept that
there will be delays on occasion.

19. Wolfe stated that the volunteers provide a very high quality
service but queried whether PCUG could get an outside professional to
fix the problem of people being unable to determine when the system
was down.  Other members of the group felt that this would be unwise
as someone who did not know the system well would only cause other
problems and that the matter should be left to the people who run the
system.

20. Allan mentioned that he used WordPad to edit a series of text
files, because it was available on every Windows 95 and 98 computer,
and it worked fine.  However, he went away and left his son to use the
computer and since he returned - when working with WordPad when he
tried to save his work he kept getting messages including that he
might loose some of his formatting, and after he clicked okay the
computer went dead.  It was suggested that Allan use the software
install/uninstall function in the control panel to uninstall WordPad
and then use the Windows CD to reinstall it as his present version of
the program might have been corrupted.

21. Allan mentioned that the last version of 16 Bits to have been
distributed had the cover of the previous month's issue but that the
contents were okay.

22. Charlie asked whether ".wpd" was the extension for WordPad and was
assured that it wasn't, it was the extension for a Word Perfect
document.

23. Elizabeth mentioned that she was still having problems with the
lack of an address line with Perfusion as the advice give at the last
meeting hadn't worked.  John said that he would visit her on Friday to
sort the problem out.  He also promised to fix the fact that the
screen on Elizabeth's computer no longer goes blank when not in use.

24. Elizabeth was also having problems with her anti virus programs.
She was running both VET and InoculateIt, which together were causing
difficulties and was unsure how to update them.  Greg advised her that
she should never run two anti-virus programs at the same time.  Merv
advised her to throw out InoculateIt as VET was kept up to date more
frequently.  John promised he would also fix this on Friday and
explain then how to update VET.

25. Mike brought in a copy of the 1881 British census issued on 25 CDs
by LDs for $55 which covered the British Isles less Ireland plus all
the British subjects residing in the ports where the navy were
visiting at the time of the census.  John asked how this genealogy
tool worked and whether it had an index.  Mike explained that it was
very user friendly and that providing you knew the relevant county
people lived in they were easy to trace.  He also stated that it could
be purchased by a telephone call to Sydney using a credit card.  Peter
confirmed that the kit had a name index so that people could be found
even if you did not know where they lived.  Ken mentioned that IGI had
issued a CD for $15 which listed an additional 5 million names to
those given on the main index.

26. Mike suggested that as the SIG had money in hand which it was not
going to spend on parties, some of it should be spent on software
perhaps including a copy of the 1881 census.  There was a general
discussion in which some people felt that the number of SIG members
interested in genealogy was not great and the CDs could be obtained
from genealogy groups in Canberra, while other people felt that the
purchase would be a good one and that the kit might well be of
interest even to those with only a minor interest in genealogy who
would never consider buying themselves a copy.  

27. Other issues were also discussed such as the problem of copyright
as the discs could only be used on one machine at the one time.  It
was pointed out that the SIG already owned a copy of Partition Magic
and members were trusted to delete the program off their machines once
they had used it and returned the disc to the SIG, and that this could
also be done with the genealogy kit.  Alternatively Terry suggested
that the program could be installed on one machine at the PCUG Centre
and people could consult it there.  However, it was pointed out that
it could take a full day to consult the kit and so this would not be
really practicable.

28. While most people seemed agreeable to the purchase, Mike suggested
that the matter be left in abeyance until the next meeting so that he
could hold discussions with interested parties.

29. Peter had a problem with IE5 as he couldn't disable the context
adviser and had to reinstall the password each time he opened the
browser.  John noted that the problem, and its resolution, had been
fully covered in the Microsoft IE5 newsgroup.  This newsgroup was not
covered by TIP but was freely available to all through Microsoft.com.
  Chris offered to demonstrate how to fix the problem on one of the
machines in the training room after the meeting.

30. Peter also queried whether anyone had "Zip Magic 2000" as he was
having problems configuring it, but he seemed to be the only person to
own a copy.

31. Jeff sought advice for a friend who is about to buy a new PC.

32. Jeff had "Sidekick 95" but had lost the diary.  He tried to
reinstall the program from the floppy using the control panel facility
but the computer said it couldn't read the disc.  John asked whether
he had tried to look at the disc using Windows Explorer and was told
that this didn't work either.  Jim suggested that when people had a
program on a floppy they should put a copy on their hard disc for
future use.  Jeff replied that he had copied the program onto his "D"
drive but that when he tried to copy it from "D" to" C" the program
wouldn't work.  John queried whether Jeff had installed the program
onto "C" and then copied it onto "D" and noted that if so probably
some of the files had been put under windows and so didn't copy over.
Both Trevor and Merv offered to lend copies of the program.

33. Colin had a problem in that a friend used his machine, which has
Windows 98 and Office 97, and then saved her research onto a floppy
only to find that the floppy was unreadable.  There was nothing on his
machine as it froze after the copy was made.  He had tried to read the
disc using both Windows 3.1, and 98 to no avail.  Merv noted that
people should never save direct to a floppy but should save to the
hard disc first.  John suggested several alternatives but concluded
that Colin's friend may have removed the floppy from the machine
before it had finished saving to disc for although the machine may
have stated the work was saved, the light showing work in progress may
not have gone out.  Chris mentioned that if the work was saved
properly, but on an incompatible program, Office 97 had a conversion
file which he would try after the meeting.

34. Colin, who used Outlook Express, also was experiencing
difficulties with some e-mails which included URLs in them.  Although
the URLs were in blue and so were active links some would not work.
John noted that if Outlook Express was the default reader Colin
shouldn't be having problems, and suggested that perhaps the person
who had typed the URLs into the message had either mistyped them or
left a space at the end which Colin's computer took to be part of the
URL.  Terry asked whether Colin had tried cutting and pasting the URLs
and the latter replied that he had and that this had worked.  David
advised that people should make a further copy of any document,
including e-mails, before playing around with it.

35. Wolfe asked how to bring up C-MOS, and Merv replied that there
were about 18 different ways including "control/alt/S or E" depending
on the computer.  Chris checked whether Wolfe wished to get at the
C-MOS for his Toshiba laptop and on being assured that this was the
case suggested that he should use FN/Escape or use a separate program
called "Toshiba Settings".

36. Wolfe was also having trouble with his Colorado Tape back-up
system.  After he made his last back-up he could not read the tapes.
John had a new Seagate back-up CD rom which would overcome this
problem, and which was much better than the facility in Windows 98,
which he was willing to lend.

37. Merv told members that those who had registered their Pentium III
with Intel could apply to the company to have sent to them from
Singapore for free a CD and pamphlet some programs which seemed to
make modems work faster and some very useful shareware.

38. Chris mentioned that a better IE5 kit will soon become available
from http://www.tip.net.au/kits.

39. Chris also asked if anyone who received the Intel Technology
Developer Kits Quarterly Bulletins covering the KATMAI extended
instructions, SSE, could let him have the PDFs with architecture
details.

40. Tony used InoculateIt and after he upgraded to Windows 98 SE the
computer wouldn't shut down.  John advised that this problem was not
due to InoculateIT, but occurred when Windows 98 and a certain video
card were used together.

41. Ted closed the meeting at 11.30am, after which members adjourned
to the training room for some demonstrations on the machines there.


Anne L 10/99

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