Meeting 22 September 1998


 


Minutes of C&C Meeting 22 September 1998

Co-ordinator John welcomed 41 members, including newcomers John, who has
just joined PCUG, and Rod, who has been a PCUG member since 1985.  He also
welcomed back Terry, just returned from his sea voyage, and Merv.

John congratulated Peter on the minutes of the last meeting, taken at such
short notice, and thanked Elizabeth for the chocolate biscuits from her
daughter.  

John circulated a card from Derrick's family saying how much Derrick always
enjoyed our meetings.

Wolf noted that the Group is $619.12 in funds.

Emil reminded members that the PCUG AGM is on 28 September.

Subjects discussed were:

1. 	Reptile freeware
2. 	Netscape freeware
3. 	Report on experiences as outback volunteer trainers:  John and Rod
4. 	Difficulties in connecting to the Internet using various modems
5. 	Speed of connection to Internet through TIP
6. 	Problems accessing webpages
7. 	Millenium Bug problem
8. 	Copying videotapes using a PC
9. 	Books on IE4; installing IE5

1. 	Reptile freeware

Ted noted that Reptile freeware (for backgrounds) obtained through 2Cows,
had been very useful in setting up his own webpage.

2. 	Netscape freeware

Gloria noted that Netscape v.4.05 obtained from PC Magazine, ceases to
operate on 16 October.  We expect a new version to be offered soon by the
magazine.

3.	Report on experiences as outback volunteer trainers:  John and Rod

John and Rod both volunteered to help outback communities connect to the
Internet.  John's sojourn in the flooded areas of north-west NSW was very
rewarding and provided plenty of excitement.  He saw the first emu chicks
of the season, many water birds.  The mozzies were vicious, and he took
precautions against Ross River fever.  

John was able to connect all farms and all but one school.  Three schools
had MACs and a complicated system.  The Dept of Education uses a strict
filter, Cyber Patrol, which does not allow connection to newsgroups. 
Interaction between the filter, MACs and the telephone lines caused
problems.  Other users had PCs with IE (various versions) which he upgraded
to IE4.  Some schools had NS3 but alas no discs to allow reinstallation. 
The last school will be connected after October when the local telephone
line is to be converted to optic fibre.  

Rod was able to connect 13 families in north-west Queensland at Mitchell
and Quilpie.  The ISPs were either BigPond or TPG (formerly a CSIRO
provider).  The 13 families all had different problems, with the worst
taking three days to connect, due to the time it takes in the bush to get a
Telstra technician to change the switch at the Mitchell Exchange.  All
users were operating W95 or W98.  Most TPG clients had new machines, all of
which caused more trouble than the machines linked to BigPond.  Costs of
connection and for calls are high.

4.	Difficulties in connecting to the Internet using various modems

Members have had some difficulties with Maestro and Companion modems.  The
solution is to add certain data to the initialisation stream (in "advanced
properties").  Refer to Owen for the magic symbols.

Geoff complained that connection to TIP this last month had been very
noisy.  He will contact Telstra.

5.	Speed of connection to Internet through TIP

Why do we get differing connection speeds to TIP?  The programming has
changed following installation of the new router, but in theory inwards
transmission can be up to 56KB.  Allan said we should note whether the
speed was for current transmission or for connection.  Emil thinks NetMedic
may diagnose transmit and receive speeds.

6.	Problems accessing webpages

At www.catscan.com you get a medical page.  At www.cat/scan.com you get
scans of pussy-cats.  We thought this seemed logical.

Elizabeth wanted to know why search engines look different if using for
example Inference on NS.  She was advised to use one browser and get the
options just how she wants them.

Difficulties in connecting to webpages, especially at the weekend, could be
due to restructuring or to people switching off the computer where the site
is located because of thunderstorms.

Gloria, using NS and Javascript, has had to click on OK 18 times before the
page came up.  Emil noted that you require a 32 bit connection to run NS.  


7.	Millenium Bug

Is it true, as some retailers claim, that by adjusting your machine to
"1972" in December 1999, you can avoid Y2K Bug problems?  We decided that
unless you are running an accounting system where the date is important you
should not worry about the Millenium Bug.  We were advised to change the
date now to 2 January 2000 and see if it works.

Anne noted that Money software claim their date system is good up to 2027,
by which time her computer may have fallen apart.

8.	Copying videotapes using a PC

Colin is seeking a PC system that will copy videotapes better than a video
recorder is able to do.  Chess said that by copying onto a computer then
back to the VCR, you lose two generations.  Emil said that you can perhaps
gain advantages when editing, if you create a master on the PC.  Mike
thought you could improve the synch, get rid of noise.  Allan noted that
there is a website with all the test patterns worldwide, against which
videos can be tested.

9.	Books on IE4; installing IE5

Members feel that there are no good books on IE4 (or indeed on other
browsers); "Help" pages are best.

Chess has successfully installed IE5 (which he finds very stable) over the
top of IE4.  PC User Magazine for September offers IE5 beta version.  John
noted both versions deleted files from the cache in random order.  He
recommends CacheSentry for orderly deletion of cache files.  The address
for this program is available from 2Cows.


JL 26/9/98 950

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