Meeting 25 August 1998


Notes of C&C Meeting  Tuesday August 25 1998

The coordinator John  Saxon welcomed 36 members. The meeting started
at 10.00 am.  Alf  Mc McMicken  was remembered with a period of
silence.

Elizabeth's daughter Ingrid was welcomed as well as new  members
John, David, and Jim 

The subjects discussed were

1   Are new telephone numbers and dropouts  associated?
2.  Telephone line dropouts, and lightning strikes.
3.  A new computer- a problem with  it's failure to find a program.
4.  The 'Vlad Goodtime' virus'
5.  Treasurers report 
6   The PCUG AGM  meeting  is next month
7   A new computer support group suggested for non-profit groups
8   The best browser for a Pentium 100 with W95
9.  The  Opera 3.1 browser. 
10. Problems with Magazine cdroms
11. New member John's questions
12. New member  David 's questions
13. Scanner choice and use
14  USA modems
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 DROPOUTS
 Jim said that after adding new telephone numbers ( the required extra
6 ).he had dropouts after 5 minutes.   This had occurred  about 6
times  in row  when he had tried to logon to the Internet.  The
answers were that bad weather and recent  problems with the service
may be a fault. It was suggested that he should alter the time he had
set for cut off from 5 minutes to  one minute and see if it made any 
difference. It was not thought that the new telephone number that Jim
had used would make any difference.

LIGHTNING
John described a  problem he had with a lightning strike nearby.
Since than he has been unable to access the internet. He thought that
the telephone line was faulty. .Telstra  couldn't come over the
weekend . After some  thought the problem turned out to be  the  modem
which supported his house security system and not his computer or with
the telephone line itself.

NEW COMPUTER
Gregg said that he had a new computer system with a Gigabyte GA5Ax 
motherboard which supports socket 7 CPU's and has a 100 mhz bus. .
When running the computer he had an error stating that  the program
"bios.vxb" in the Windows system directory was absent. No answer was
offered by the group to this problem.

VIRUS
Kryn said that he had loaded IE4 from Ozemail and then got a virus
called  'vlad Goodtime'.  He used a virus checker which was a limited
version  which didn't correct the problem. The answers given were to
get a fully functioning virus checker with care to get the latest
version with the most recent 'signatures' of the viruses  to check for
all current viruses.  The MacAfee  virus program was readily 
available. It was also suggested that he have a write-protected clean
floppy disk on hand for such emergencies. It should be obtained from a
known virus free computer.

TREASURER AND SUPPORT GROUP FOR NON/PROFIT BODIES
Emil  announced a brief treasurers report in Wolf's absence.  He also
mentioned that the PCUG AGM was next month and encouraged members to
participate. He also mentioned that he had been talking to Darryl.
There was a suggestion to form a support group for  computer
technology  and non-profit/ charitable organisations. Darryl has  a
part of his home page devoted to the idea.  The system works well in 
Victoria apparently. There was general support for the idea.
 Darrell's e-mail address in relation to this project is 
                            deanb@bigpond.com
 Darrell is expecting to launch the project at a meeting (yet to be
called) in mid-September. The venue has not yet firmed, but it is
likely to be at Kingston or thereabouts.

BROWSER CHOICE
Kevin  Asked for advice about which Internet browser should be used
for his Pentium 100 computer, He was using IE3. Much discussion
followed. It  was suggested that this was to some extent a personal
decision..

BANKS
Owen mentioned that the Commonwealth bank  had a banking service which
said to turn your browser off. Also that the ANZ Internet banking
service  program was not very suitable  and cost $10 per month.  John
said that St. George had a new, completely web based service
originating from the takeover of the  Adelaide bank. It needs a Java
based  browser according to John.

Emil said that the  September PC User magazine had a browser called
Opera  version 3.1  on the cdrom that came with the magazine   The
program  was small in size and  reasonably fully featured. He hadn't
tried it out.

MAGAZINE CDROMS
Anne gave more details  about her  problems with the two cdrom set
with a computer magazine. She was not satisfied with her dealings with
the magazine.  She had found out that the cdrom disks  only worked
well with a  32 speed cdrom. Jim said that cdrom disks may not work
because the slower speed cdroms  ( e.g.2speed) couldn't cope . John
said that the cdrom disks  were optimised for faster cdroms machines
such a s 24 speed or higher speed  devices.

BIOS CHIPS
John a new member asked about upgrading a  Phoenix  type bios chip .
John S said  that the internet site called 'Mr Bios' or the Phoenix
internet sites were worth visiting to help with his problem.

CHESS PROGRAM  
Jim J said that he has a 486  DX computer and wants to buy a new
computer. He  has a favourite DOS program that cost $200. The program
was written in  Northern Europe .The program solves chess problems
but can take all night to solve any problem given it. It also comes up
with a divide by zero error. Also that this old program won't run on
newer computers. Answers given were, that it would  take too long to
fix the divide by zero error. Mike suggested that he try to get a 
newer version of the program, or get a completely new program which
will run properly. Other suggestions were that probably the divide by
zero error was due to insufficient buffers being set on his old
computer. maybe he could increase the  buffers. 

VIRUSES ..ALSO SCANNERS
Esther mentioned viruses and that Peter E had helped in this regard
with a new virus scanner.. She also asked about the available page
scanners costing less than  $200.  Mike said that various good  models
were available at Harvey Norman and Dick Smith  stores at this price.
The OpticPro make was mentioned as good. Emil suggested getting a
type that was inserted into the  parallel printer cable as they were
easier to install than  Scuzzi type scanners but perhaps slower to
scan.  They could be used for scanning pictures, text sending Faxes
and  as a somewhat slow  photocopier. Jim asked  about how to scan
negatives. Mike said that his $300  OpticPro963GT  scanner  had this
facility built in. Another suggested that some  existing scanners had
an  extra option to project images into the scanner for the same
purpose but could cost up to $500. Dedicated 35mm positive and
negative  scanners could cost up to $1000.

FAX MACHINE
Anne asked if anyone had an old Fax machine they didn't want.

DROPOUTS
Kryn asked about call waiting causing dropouts.. He was referred to
the telephone  book for details. Call waiting can be switched off  by
pressing  the keys #43# , wait  for the facility tone and then hang
up. To turn it on again press *43#.

MODEM SOUND
Mike said that his son's modem had no speaker sound wit internet
connections but was ok with the hyperterminal program.  A suggestion
that a new software driver  was required.

USA MODEMS 
 John  indicated that he new how to convert a US type modem to read
Australian  telephone tones. It consisted of an  unusual AT
command.which began AT*

EBM  26 August 1998

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