Minutes of the Meeting held 26 February 2002 1. The Chairman (JimH) reminded members of C&C that they were welcome to bring visitors to the Irish Club but they should be entered in the visitors book in the foyer and PCUG members attending the Southside meetings were reminded that they should join the Irish Club at least as associate members ($2 per annum). 2. A Certificate of Appreciation was presented to the Management and Staff of the Irish Club for their unfailing courtesy and assistance to the C& C Group. Jim H was also awarded Life Membership of the C& C Group. 3. HP690C - Greg 4. (i) Where has my messenger gone? 4. (ii) Reading Apple disks - RodB i) After installing Zonealarm and using Easycleaner to tidy the registry and remove unnecessary files, Messenger completely vanished from my system. Further investigation after the meeting showed that its folder was still present, but only with one gif in it. I downloaded the program again and reinstalled it. All seems to be well. No explanation. Incidentally, Easycleaner did put the deleted files into the recycle bin and there was nothing there related to Messenger. ii) Asked about reading Apple disks. Suggestions were that suitable software can be found on the 'net, but better to find an Apple somewhere. Anne Greiner (Apple user) offered to take the disks and copy them. Offer accepted. From JeffC: During discussion on item 4, as I recall, the old subject of EasyCleaner and Windows Me came up again. A long time ago ToniHele acknowledged the problem with Me and also the simple solution of inserting the word "help" in the skip box of Clean Registry in EasyCleaner. I did this and have no problem ever since with using EasyCleaner and Windows Me. I have also inserted words Norton and Sidekick95 so that my skip box reads "Norton, Sidekick95, help". Presumably there was also a problem with Norton Utilities and Sidekick95. Unfortunately I cannot find the original message nor the EasyCleaner home page. It used to be www.saunalahti.fi/tonihele/ecleane.htm but this does not seem to exist anymore. JeffC 5. Picnic? - Gloria Consensus of the meeting was "not yet thankyou" 6. (i) Missing P/P byte: MikeD I had a "missing byte" problem when FTP uploading a GIF file to my home page. It turns out I was uploading in ASCII mode and the file contained ONE CRLF combination (0D 0A hex) which was converted to 0A only. The result was a partially garbled file and hence display. I should have been using BINARY. My use of ASCII for uploading was unintentional. I had not bothered checking. I'm sure my CUTEFTP config would have been (equally unchecked) binary. Hence the different results. I have just been searching for an exact definition of what happens in an ASCII transfer, unsuccessfully. I'm certain it does not change any high or other bits because both files matched byte for byte for at least 3200 hex bytes. It was Allan told me that "ASCII mode" changed CR LF to LF, inferring that's all it did. So it's a pretty unlikely event in a small file, as I've demonstrated. But I'd like to find a formal definition. The fact that the file happens to display letters is irrelevant because only graphic bits are stored You're quite right to say that binary should ALWAYS be used. Any file massaging should be done outside the act of transferring Mike ------------------- Said Emil: > Yes, selecting BINARY for all ftp transfers avoids _any_ translation. > It ensures that the integrity of any file is maintained in the ftp > transfer. Said AllanM: On the contrary, transferring a text file as BINARY between a MS PC and a unix systems will destroy the integrity of the file. For example, a MS PC file with a line containing three characters "abc" and an "end-of-line" will end up as a four character line containing "abc" and an "end-of-line" if transferred in binary mode. For even simple things like some html text pages, transferring them to unix using binary can cause them to appear double spaced when displayed in some web browsers. I suppose it all comes down to what your definition of "integrity" is. To me, if I type a string of characters including while running win98 and send the resulting TEXT file to another system, and do exactly the same while running linux, the resulting files on the remote system should be identical under my definition of integrity. If the transfer is done as BINARY, the resulting files will be different despite having been created using the exact same keystrokes. 6. (ii) TransACT TIP - MikeD When changing from TIP dialup to Transact/ISP broadband, one does not need to leave TIP. Jeff Calwell's article in the latest 16 Bits infers this. I still use TIP for my email address, and collect mail from there. I send mail via Webone, but with my TIP address in the send line. Allan confirmed that all pcug members had (or could have) a pcug address and "limited" access. So no problem from a users point of view. I can foresee a problem re my home page when my present TIP hours run out. I would prefer to leave it at TIP and am willing to pay an appropriate amount to do this. A less desirable alternative is to have a "redirection" from my TIP home page address which I hope would be at nil or little or once off cost. I will so suggest on my response to the TIP TRANSACT survey Mike 7. Easy CD Creator - TrevF Information: Helen has Easy CD Creator Platinum that refused to install properly. Roxio's resonse was that it needed Internet Explorer. Helen, who uses Win95 and doesn't connect from home only had Netscape v.3. She installed IE v.3 and Easy CD Creator was still undergoing the same problem. Finally she formatted C: yet again, reinstalled Win95 then installed IEv.4 then Easy CD Creator. Voila! It finally worked. It's a pity that the requirements are not listed on the box before purchase. All that's listed is Win95 or 98 and a CD writer. 8. IE Security update - Brendan Brendan advised that he was unable to run the latest security update for Internet Explorer 5 using the URL provided by Darrell Burkey. Apparently, none of the options offered worked with Windows 95. TerryB suggested trying navigating from Microsoft web page rather than URL. Also noted that Microsoft no longer supports Win 95. Darrell Burkey suggested maybe security update not applicable in case of Win 95 because Win 95 is not vulnerable to the particular threat in question. Regards, Trevor -*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*- "Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined." -- Samuel Goldwyn. ****************************************************** Coffee & Chat Page, inluding archives of past meetings http://www.pcug.org.au/pcug/candc/ ******************************************************
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