Meeting 26 February 2002



		Minutes of the Meeting held 26 February 2002



1. The Chairman (JimH) reminded members of C&C that they were welcome
to bring visitors to the Irish Club but they should be entered in the
visitors book in the foyer and PCUG members attending the Southside
meetings were  reminded that they should join the Irish Club at least
as associate members ($2 per annum).

2. A Certificate of Appreciation was presented  to the Management and
Staff  of the Irish Club for their unfailing courtesy and assistance
to the C& C  Group. Jim H was also awarded Life Membership of the C& C
Group.

3. HP690C - Greg

4. (i) Where has my messenger gone?
4. (ii) Reading Apple disks - RodB
i) After installing Zonealarm and using Easycleaner to tidy the
registry and remove unnecessary files, Messenger completely vanished
from my system. Further investigation after the meeting showed that
its folder was still present, but only with one gif in it. I
downloaded the program again and reinstalled it. All seems to be well.
No explanation. Incidentally, Easycleaner did put the deleted files
into the recycle bin and there was nothing there related to Messenger.

ii) Asked about reading Apple disks. Suggestions were that suitable
software can be found on the 'net, but better to find an Apple
somewhere. Anne Greiner (Apple user) offered to take the disks and
copy them. Offer accepted.

From JeffC:
During discussion on item 4, as I recall, the old subject of
EasyCleaner and Windows Me came up again. A long time ago ToniHele
acknowledged the problem with Me and also the simple solution of
inserting the word "help" in the skip box of Clean Registry in
EasyCleaner. I did this and have no problem ever since with using
EasyCleaner and Windows Me. I have also inserted words Norton and
Sidekick95 so that my skip box reads "Norton, Sidekick95, help".
Presumably there was also a problem with Norton Utilities and
Sidekick95. Unfortunately I cannot find the original message nor the
EasyCleaner home page. It used to be
www.saunalahti.fi/tonihele/ecleane.htm but this does not
seem to exist anymore.
JeffC

5. Picnic? - Gloria
Consensus of the meeting was "not yet thankyou"

6. (i) Missing P/P byte: MikeD
I had a "missing byte" problem when FTP uploading a GIF file to my
home page.  It turns out I was uploading in ASCII mode and the file
contained ONE CRLF combination (0D 0A hex) which was converted to 0A
only.  The result was a partially garbled file and hence display.  I
should have been using BINARY.

My use of ASCII for uploading was unintentional.  I had not bothered
checking.  I'm sure my CUTEFTP config would have been (equally
unchecked) binary.  Hence the different results.

I have just been searching for an exact definition of what happens in
an ASCII transfer, unsuccessfully.  I'm certain it does not change any
high or other bits because both files matched byte for byte for at
least 3200 hex bytes.  It was Allan told me that "ASCII mode" changed
CR LF to LF, inferring that's all it did. So it's a pretty unlikely
event in a small file, as I've demonstrated.  But I'd like to find a
formal definition.

The fact that the file happens to display letters is irrelevant
because only graphic bits are stored

You're quite right to say that binary should ALWAYS be used.  Any file
massaging should be done outside the act of transferring

Mike
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Said Emil:
> Yes, selecting BINARY for all ftp transfers avoids _any_ translation.
> It ensures that the integrity of any file is maintained in the ftp
> transfer.

Said AllanM:
On the contrary, transferring a text file as BINARY between a MS PC
and a unix systems will destroy the integrity of the file.

For example, a MS PC file with a line containing three characters
"abc" and an "end-of-line" will end up as a four character line
containing "abc" and an "end-of-line" if transferred in binary
mode.

For even simple things like some html text pages, transferring them to
unix using binary can cause them to appear double spaced when
displayed in some web browsers.

I suppose it all comes down to what your definition of "integrity" is.
To me, if I type a string of characters including  while
running win98 and send the resulting TEXT file to another system, and
do exactly the same while running linux, the resulting files on the
remote system should be identical under my definition of integrity.
If the transfer is done as BINARY, the resulting files will be
different despite having been created using the exact same keystrokes.

6. (ii) TransACT TIP - MikeD
 When changing from TIP dialup to Transact/ISP broadband, one does not
need to leave TIP.  Jeff Calwell's article in the latest 16 Bits
infers this.  I still use TIP for my email address, and collect mail
from there.
I send mail via Webone, but with my TIP address in the send line.
Allan confirmed that all pcug members had (or could have) a pcug
address and "limited" access.  So no problem from a users point of
view.

 I can foresee a problem re my home page when my present TIP hours run
out.  I would prefer to leave it at TIP and am willing to pay an
appropriate amount to do this. A less desirable alternative is to have
a "redirection" from my TIP home page address which I hope would be at
nil or little or once off cost.  I will so suggest on my response to
the TIP TRANSACT survey

Mike

7. Easy CD Creator - TrevF
Information: Helen has Easy CD Creator Platinum that refused to
install properly. Roxio's resonse was that it needed Internet
Explorer. Helen, who uses Win95 and doesn't connect from home only had
Netscape v.3. She installed IE v.3 and Easy CD Creator was still
undergoing the same problem. Finally she formatted C: yet again,
reinstalled Win95 then installed IEv.4 then Easy CD Creator. Voila! It
finally worked. It's a pity that the requirements are not listed on
the box before purchase. All that's listed is Win95 or 98 and a CD
writer.

8. IE Security update - Brendan
Brendan advised that he was unable to run the latest security update
for Internet Explorer 5 using the URL provided by Darrell Burkey.
Apparently, none of the options offered worked with Windows 95.
TerryB suggested trying navigating from Microsoft web page rather than
URL.  Also noted that Microsoft no longer supports Win 95.  Darrell
Burkey suggested maybe security update not applicable in case of Win
95 because Win 95 is not vulnerable to the particular threat in
question.

Regards, Trevor

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