Re: Meeting of 16 September 1997
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- Neville Anderson16 Sep 1997 14:50:40 GMT-
- Ken Livingston16 Sep 1997 22:41:12 GMT
- Jim Fogg 17 Sep 1997 07:14:59 GMT
- Owen Cook 17 Sep 1997 09:28:16 GMT
- Owen Cook17 Sep 1997 09:28:18 GMT
- Emil Joseph17 Sep 1997 21:47:21 GMT
- Owen CookDate:18 Sep 1997 03:29:45 GMT
- Neville Anderson 18 Sep 1997 04:32:51 GMT
- Wolf Lieske 18 Sep 1997 05:43:40 GMT
- Jim Fogg 18 Sep 1997 06:34:34 GMT
- Neville Anderson18 Sep 1997 06:18:30 GMT
- Neville Anderson18 Sep 1997 06:18:32 GMT
- Ken Livingston18 Sep 1997 10:15:31 GMT
- Allan Mikkelsen19 Sep 1997 00:00:17 +1000
- Michael Lightfoot19 Sep 97 11:04:27 GMT
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:50:40 GMT
From: Neville Anderson <nevander@pcug.org.au>
Newsgroups: tip.coffee-chat
Subject: Re: Meeting of 16 September 1997
nevander@pcug.org.au (Neville Anderson) wrote:
Opening:
^^^^ all the rest snipped ^^^^^
Sorry, I stuffed-up my signature / portraiture (?), so I'll try it
again ... now.
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nevander@pcug.org.au <(o|o)>
Neville Anderson, PCUG (ACT) -----oOO--(__)--OOo-----
Canberra, ACT Australia.
Tel: +61 2 6258 2332
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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:41:12 GMT
From: Ken Livingston <kenliv@pcug.org.au>
Newsgroups: tip.coffee-chat
Subject: Re: Meeting of 16 September 1997
nevander@pcug.org.au (Neville Anderson) wrote:
> nevander@pcug.org.au (Neville Anderson) wrote:
>
> >> Opening:
>
> ^^^^ all the rest snipped ^^^^^
>
> Sorry, I stuffed-up my signature / portraiture (?), so I'll try it
> again ... now.
> ---------------------------------------- ___
> nevander@pcug.org.au <(o|o)>
> Neville Anderson, PCUG (ACT) -----oOO--(__)--OOo-----
> Canberra, ACT Australia.
> Tel: +61 2 6258 2332
Hmmm. Either the figure is tab-damaged or more likely you are trying
to produce ascii art using variable-pitch fonts.
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nevander@pcug.org.au <(o|o)>
Neville Anderson, PCUG (ACT) -----oOO--(_)--OOo-----
Better. :-)
It is always best to use fixed-pitch fonts for news and email functions.
Not only will the ascii art come out looking right but it's important
when viewing/composing anything in tabular form. HTH.
Not only will the ascii art come out looking right but it's important
when viewing/composing anything in tabular form. HTH.
Regards,
Ken
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:14:59 GMT
From: Jim Fogg <jfogg@pcug.org.au>
Newsgroups: tip.coffee-chat
Subject: Re: Meeting of 16 September 1997
On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:00:02 GMT, nevander@pcug.org.au (Neville
Anderson) wrote:
>* Gordon brought along a fount of fonts requested by an absent member,
>and drew our attention to one of the paging problems on printers which
>can be caused by the difference between the international A4 paper
>size and the 'American A4'!
>
At the last couple of meetings I have raised the subject of a 'script'
font which is similar to neat copper-plate handwriting. Please advise
if by any chance I am the "absent member".
Regards
Jim Fogg jfogg@pcug.org.au
Ph(06)251-3164
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:28:16 GMT
From: Owen Cook <rcook@pcug.org.au>
Newsgroups: tip.coffee-chat
Subject: Re: Meeting of 16 September 1997
nevander@pcug.org.au (Neville Anderson) wrote:
>John sought information on HP printer maintenance, but no one
>admitted to having pulled one apart. Suggestions on cleaning methods
>were offered, including one using "Sandpaper", which is NOT the type
>used by carpenters, but a proprietary line for printers.
I've just been through the HP660C manual and there are a number
of "paper feed" type problems but none that suggest the feeder
rollers would need cleaning.
For machines still in warranty HP give a free number to call,
maybe John should try that ?
Paper feed problems are
Paper in IN tray not pressed against the paper feeder
The paper path is blocked
Too much paper in the IN tray
Paper stack is uneven
Paper is curled, wrinkled or damaged
Different paper sizes, types or weights
Owen
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:28:18 GMT
From: Owen Cook <rcook@pcug.org.au>
Newsgroups: tip.coffee-chat
Subject: Re: Meeting of 16 September 1997
nevander@pcug.org.au (Neville Anderson) wrote:
>Barry enquired if his son could use his TIP access, and this was
>confirmed as OK, but some thought it may be quite courageous to
>provide a login ID and password to a teenager.
If freakscene is any indication, I would agree
Owen
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:47:21 GMT
From: Emil Joseph <ejoseph@pcug.org.au>
Newsgroups: tip.coffee-chat
Subject: Re: Meeting of 16 September 1997
On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:00:02 GMT, nevander@pcug.org.au (Neville
Anderson) wrote:
>* Keith thanked Emil for his help with his tax return, but advised
Hardly!
No, I helped connecting Keith to TIP, not to ATO <grin>
Emil
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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 03:29:45 GMT
From: Owen Cook <rcook@pcug.org.au>
Newsgroups: tip.coffee-chat
Subject: Re: Meeting of 16 September 1997
For the person/persons wanting to know how to change the format
of the date in Agent..... 32 bit (ie W95)
Go To
Start | Settings | Control Panel | Regional Settings | Date
Short Date Style
......in the 16 bit (ie W3.1x)
Go To
Control Panel | International
Note: changes made there are global, ie it will affect other
programs date formats.
Owen
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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 04:32:51 GMT
From: Neville Anderson <nevander@pcug.org.au>
Newsgroups: tip.coffee-chat
Subject: Re: Meeting of 16 September 1997
kenliv@pcug.org.au (Ken Livingston) wrote:
>nevander@pcug.org.au (Neville Anderson) wrote:
>
>> nevander@pcug.org.au (Neville Anderson) wrote:
>>
>> >> Opening:
>>
>> ^^^^ all the rest snipped ^^^^^
>>
>> Sorry, I stuffed-up my signature / portraiture (?), so I'll try it
>> again ... now.
>> ---------------------------------------- ___
>> nevander@pcug.org.au <(o|o)>
>> Neville Anderson, PCUG (ACT) -----oOO--(__)--OOo-----
>> Canberra, ACT Australia.
>> Tel: +61 2 6258 2332
>
>Hmmm. Either the figure is tab-damaged or more likely you are trying
>to produce ascii art using variable-pitch fonts.
>
Yes Ken, you are correct. But the figure was not tab-damaged ... I
did it all by myself. However, this exercise reminded me of a trap of
which I was aware, but not aware enough at the time, ie. I did not
observe that the Agent signature composition box was using Courier
(fixed-pitch) font, and my Agent screen display was in a variable
-pitch sans serif font .... hence the "Chad with a bad attitude".
>------------------------------ ___
>nevander@pcug.org.au <(o|o)>
>Neville Anderson, PCUG (ACT) -----oOO--(_)--OOo-----
>
>Better. :-)
>
Not on my Agent screen.
>It is always best to use fixed-pitch fonts for news and email functions.
>Not only will the ascii art come out looking right but it's important
>when viewing/composing anything in tabular form. HTH.
>>
For an exercise to check out my deductions (and my sanity), I posted
an e-mail to myself and read it on the Eudora Light .... the modified
signature, which was OK on Agent, had a bad attitude on Eudora. QED.
So, I can sleep better now.
>Regards,
>Ken
As a result of the above exercise, I have decided that:
(a) my artistic skills on a keyboard are no better than those
with a brush or pen, and
(b) because the signature will be read with a variety of readers
using different types of fonts, I should delete the Chad, and be
reminded that it was a report for Coffee and Chat, not Coffee and Chad
Thanks again,
Neville.
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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 05:43:40 GMT
From: Wolf Lieske <wlieske@pcug.org.au>
Newsgroups: tip.coffee-chat
Subject: Re: Meeting of 16 September 1997
On Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:14:59 GMT, jfogg@pcug.org.au (Jim Fogg) wrote:
>On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:00:02 GMT, nevander@pcug.org.au (Neville
>Anderson) wrote:
>
>
>>* Gordon brought along a fount of fonts requested by an absent member,
>>and drew our attention to one of the paging problems on printers which
>>can be caused by the difference between the international A4 paper
>>size and the 'American A4'!
>>
>At the last couple of meetings I have raised the subject of a 'script'
>font which is similar to neat copper-plate handwriting. Please advise
>if by any chance I am the "absent member".
Yes Jim,
I have got Gordon's disks and am investigating them for what may be of
interest including the font that you are looking for!
Will let you know if I strike gold.
Wolf
Wolf Lieske, from Fraser in the Australian Capital Territory, Australia Phone +61-2-6258 5250:
Computing for a 'little mental' stimulation !? :-I
I can be reached at the ICQ server # 1261131
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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 06:34:34 GMT
From: Jim Fogg <jfogg@pcug.org.au>
Newsgroups: tip.coffee-chat
Subject: Re: Meeting of 16 September 1997
On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 05:43:40 GMT, wlieske@pcug.org.au (Wolf Lieske)
wrote:
>On Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:14:59 GMT, jfogg@pcug.org.au (Jim Fogg) wrote:
>
>>At the last couple of meetings I have raised the subject of a 'script'
>>font which is similar to neat copper-plate handwriting. Please advise
>>if by any chance I am the "absent member".
(Wolf Lieske) wrote:>
>Yes Jim,
>I have got Gordon's disks and am investigating them for what may be of
>interest including the font that you are looking for!
>
>Will let you know if I strike gold.
>
Thanks Wolf. May I have a look at the disks? I am a bit of a font
fanatic!.
Regards,
Jim Fogg
Submariners go down for longer,
and do it deeper.
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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 06:18:30 GMT
From: Neville Anderson <nevander@pcug.org.au>
Newsgroups: tip.coffee-chat
Subject: Re: Meeting of 16 September 1997
ejoseph@pcug.org.au (Emil Joseph) wrote:
>On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:00:02 GMT, nevander@pcug.org.au (Neville
>Anderson) wrote:
>
>>* Keith thanked Emil for his help with his tax return, but advised
>
>Hardly!
>
>No, I helped connecting Keith to TIP, not to ATO <grin>
>
>Emil
>
Sorry Emil, I must have got it wrong. I know you have good intentions
when giving help because you have given me some help in the past, for
which I am grateful.
So I should have realised that you had done the right thing by Keith,
because TIP provides a lot of interest, but not ATO. (Big grin)
But seeing that you mentioned it - I still have my tax return to do
...... (Bigger grin + anticipatory smile).
Regards,
Neville.
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nevander@pcug.org.au (in the Chad-free zone!)
Neville Anderson, PCUG (ACT)
Canberra, ACT Australia.
Tel: +61 2 6258 2332
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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 06:18:32 GMT
From: Neville Anderson <nevander@pcug.org.au>
Newsgroups: tip.coffee-chat
Subject: Re: Meeting of 2 September
jfogg@pcug.org.au (Jim Fogg) wrote:
>On Sun, 07 Sep 1997 12:28:01 GMT, nevander@pcug.org.au (Neville
>Anderson) wrote:
>
>>nevander@pcug.org.au (Neville Anderson) wrote:
>
>> ^^^^ electronic excisions have taken place here^^^^
>>
>>>Re: Y2K problem - it was suggested ...........
>> ^^^^ more excissions ^^^^
>
>For anyone who's keen - further info and software may be found and
>downloaded at
> http://www.survive-2000.com
>
>Regards
>
>Jim Fogg
>Submariners go down for longer,
>and do it deeper.
Hi Jim,
As I have been in "signatures with and without attitude" mode in the
last week, your own signature (above) caught my eye, and it reminded
me of the tagline used when I formerly went gliding:
"Glider pilots stay up longer"
But I won't use it because who ever heard of a Chad in an Astir?
Regards,
Neville.
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nevander@pcug.org.au (in the Chad-free zone!)
Neville Anderson, PCUG (ACT)
Canberra, ACT Australia.
Tel: +61 2 6258 2332
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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 10:15:31 GMT
From: Ken Livingston <kenliv@pcug.org.au>
Newsgroups: tip.coffee-chat
Subject: Re: Meeting of 16 September 1997
nevander@pcug.org.au (Neville Anderson) wrote:
[snip]
> As a result of the above exercise, I have decided that:
> (a) my artistic skills on a keyboard are no better than those
> with a brush or pen, and
> (b) because the signature will be read with a variety of readers
> using different types of fonts, I should delete the Chad, and be
> reminded that it was a report for Coffee and Chat, not Coffee and Chad
Yeah, I've basically reached the same conclusions. Ascii art can be fun
and preformatted information is useful, but only to those who are using
fixed-pitch fonts ("fixedsys," "terminal," "courier," etc. for Windows
users). So I usually avoid it but for special circumstances. If the
following makes sense, you are using fixed-pitch fonts. Otherwise,
you're missing out on all the fun:
,..
.;' `;.
,; ;,
;; ;;
;; ;;
;; ;;
;; ;;
;; ;;
;; ;;
,;' `;,
.......,,,,;;;;;:' ':;;;;;;;,,,,.......
^
|
|
.--------------.
| you are here |
`--------------'
Cheers,
Ken
--
Ken Livingston
kenliv@pcug.org.au
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 00:00:17 +1000
From: Allan Mikkelsen
Newsgroups: tip.coffee-chat
Subject: Re: Meeting of 16 September 1997
On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 10:15:31 GMT, kenliv@pcug.org.au (Ken Livingston)
wrote:
> Yeah, I've basically reached the same conclusions. Ascii art can be fun
> and preformatted information is useful, but only to those who are using
> fixed-pitch fonts ("fixedsys," "terminal," "courier," etc. for Windows
> users). So I usually avoid it but for special circumstances. If the
> following makes sense, you are using fixed-pitch fonts. Otherwise,
> you're missing out on all the fun:
Not a good example, Ken. It also lines up OK in the optional variable
pitch font I use sometimes. It is just that it is about half the width
of the fixed pitch version, but the shape is there.
>
>
> ,..
> .;' `;.
> ,; ;,
> ;; ;;
> ;; ;;
> ;; ;;
> ;; ;;
> ;; ;;
> ;; ;;
> ,;' `;,
> .......,,,,;;;;;:' ':;;;;;;;,,,,.......
> ^ ^
> | |
> | |
> .--------------. .---------------.
> | you are here | | I am here :-) |
> `--------------' `---------------'
My amendment DOES look off when viewed with variable pitch font.
Regards, Allan
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Date: 19 Sep 97 11:04:27 GMT
From: Michael Lightfoot <Michael.Lightfoot@canb.auug.org.au>
Reply-To: Michael Lightfoot <Michael.LightfootNOSPAK@canb.auug.org.au>
Newsgroups: tip.coffee-chat
Subject: Re: Meeting of 16 September 1997
In <34233151.2237095@newshost.pcug.org.au>, amikkels@pcug.org.au (Allan Mikkelsen) writes:
>>
>> ,..
>> .;' `;.
>> ,; ;,
>> ;; ;;
>> ;; ;;
>> ;; ;;
>> ;; ;;
>> ;; ;;
>> ;; ;;
>> ,;' `;,
>> .......,,,,;;;;;:' ':;;;;;;;,,,,.......
>> ^ ^
>> | |
>> | |
>> .--------------. .---------------.
>> | you are here | | I am here :-) |
>> `--------------' `---------------'
>
>My amendment DOES look off when viewed with variable pitch font.
>
Pardon me if I butt in (Hi, folks!) but if anyone wants to look at amusing ASCII
tricks try the newsgroup alt.fan.warlord (don't ask me from whence the silly
name emanates.)
Basically it is a repost group where they pinch peoples pretentious sig lines
and make fun of them. Also see news.answers for the actual "rules" about
what should go into news messages and sig lines.
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